S2. Episode 3: Energy Work and Cleansing with Athena Seye

In this episode of the Lost Girls Podcast, hosts Neva and Maria welcome Athena Seye, a transformational healer, author, and mother. Together, they explore themes of healing, energy work, and maintaining boundaries while navigating through personal traumas and societal challenges. Athena discusses her work as a body worker and psychic, emphasizing the importance of setting intentions, transformation, and addressing energy vampire dynamics. The hosts delve into discussions about psychic protection, the healing journey, the complexities of relationships, and the significance of compassion and boundaries in their professional and personal lives. As they unpack healing practices, they also touch on spiritual abilities and the need for self-love and nourishment.

Highlights

• 🎤 Special Guest Insight: Athena Tsai shares her experiences as a transformational healer and emphasizes compassion in healing.
• 🔮 Energy Work Defined: The hosts define energy work, discussing how it is integral for personal transformation and community support.
• 🌟 Setting Intentions: The episode discusses the significance of setting intentions in every episode and how it influences energy flow.
• 💬 Managing Energy Vampires: Insights into identifying and managing ‘energy vampires’ in personal relationships, promoting healthy boundaries and compassion.
• 🌀 The Importance of Purification: A focus on practices for cleansing mind, body, and spirit to maintain a healthy energy state.
• 🌸 Cleansing Rituals Discussed: Practical advice and simple daily cleansing rituals empower listeners to take charge of their own energy.

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Transcript

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00:09
 Hi, friends. Hello, friends. And hello, friends listening. Welcome to the Lost Girls Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Neva. And I am your other host, Maria. And today we have a super special guest with us. Would you like to introduce yourself? Yes. Hi, everybody. Thank you so much for having me. My name is Athena Seye, and I'm a transformational healer.


00:33
 an author and a mother. And I'm out here just doing my thing every day, showing up the best I can and how I can support myself, my kids and my, my, you know, community at large. So I'm really honored to be here and to share whatever little wisdom nuggets that come out. I love, I love this free flow. So thank you again for having me. Yay. Yeah. We're super excited. Snaps for that intro y'all. Yeah, I know. That's like super perfect. Well done. Thank you.


01:03
 So, one of our goals for the pod this year is we're going to set an intention for each episode.


01:14
 i love that yes that's gonna just be our setting intention setting intentions um so our intention for this episode is to share our space with athena and share like some purification uh ideas and some compassion and just like really open up those connections anything you'd like to add maria or athena


01:40
 No, I mean, I know some of us drew cards before we started recording. This morning I drew Queen of Wands and I was like, yes. I was like, yes, I need all of this fiery, passionate, bad bitch energy today. So I'm just very much looking forward to this. And Athena, your cards were kind of on point for what we're talking about.


02:06
 Yeah, I think so too. I pulled the Quan Yin Compassion and I pulled the Purification card. And I love that you also pulled the Queen of Wands because she's the alchemist. She's the witchy alchemist. And that's a lot of the work that I do is alchemizing and transmuting energy for myself and the collective. So I'm loving the vibes already. I was going to pull cards this morning. In fact, I actually woke up early enough to do that. And then I worked on art. Okay.


02:32
 So, you know. Yeah, that's just a different kind of energy work. Yeah, yeah. And Neva, I want to say that that little, the painting that you did for me for your card deck, I've been using that as my backdrop for my cards. So I will place that down and then I put my cards on top. Yeah, so I'm like, oh, I've had a little bit of you the last couple weeks, so thank you. I love that. Her artwork is pretty spectacular. It's right here. Yeah.


03:00
 Oh my gosh. Yeah. In my background. Oh yeah. That's the one you got from the Kickstarter. That's right. Cause you got a print too, didn't you? I did. I don't know where that one went. I hung it somewhere. Okay. Honestly, that was one of my favorites. Yeah. It's my, it's my favorite from the deck. I'm just like, oh, so good.


03:19
 But anyway, enough about me. Hair flip. Enough about my superior and gorgeous Oracle deck. So, Athena, do you want to tell us kind of like some of the things that you do out in the world for your business slash practices? Yeah.


03:39
 Well, I am a body worker, so I kind of use all of my spiritual gifts as a channel and a medium and a psychic. And I'm also a Reiki master, been a Reiki master for over 20 years. So I've had a lot of time with energy and it's kind of just been who I am, I guess, in a way. But I actually incorporate massage with it. So I'm doing channeling sessions where I'm working with people and I'm finding their energy.


04:05
 their trauma. I'm finding the points within them that are needing a little extra care and I channel information for them. Sometimes I'll connect with their star family or their passed on loved ones. I really opened up the space to really help them heal and to move on and


04:24
 I think my biggest thing is I help people to transform. I help people to walk over the threshold of change. So it's kind of like that death and rebirth is where we're all at collectively right now. And sometimes it can be really scary to like actually release the control and to step over the threshold. So I help people to do that when they're going through big life changes. And I do that through body work and I do that through tarot readings and cards, but I'm also a channel. So I will pull forward whatever messages they need to hear.


04:52
 Wow, that's awesome. Where do you live and can I move there? Yeah.


04:55
 Yeah, I know. I'm in Iowa. I'm in a little tiny town in Iowa next to the river. That's awesome. There's like 2,000 people here. Oh, my gosh. So do you only do the work in person or do you do kinds of virtual work? Well, I was doing a lot of virtual work. I was doing DNA activations. I do Akashic record readings. I do card readings online. So, yeah, I do right now. I do Akashic record readings and soulful guidance online.


05:23
 Um, and then I also do the, um, you know, massage therapy in person. So I can do the somatic, um, trauma release online. I don't have to be in person. Um, so I can still get a lot of good benefits that way. People can receive those benefits, um, because there's no time or space. Yeah. So, so the work, you know, you guys know if you do energy, you know how that works. You know, there's no time space, so we can do it if they want the extra hands-on, um,


05:47
 you know, that connection, then absolutely they can, they can come to me. So yeah. Side note, Athena did my DNA activation, so highly recommend. That's awesome. It is, it's, it's incredible work. It's, and can you see how much you've transformed since you've had that? Yeah. Not saying that was the only thing, but it really is a catalyst to like awakening and stepping into your, your path. Yeah. So I, I've loved watching you grow too. It's been pretty fun.


06:13
 Freaking amazing. Oh, I love that. Which is really funny because Neva did my Akashic Records and it was kind of crazy and amazing. And we found some connecting bits that we need to talk about in a different episode. I want to listen to that one. Oh, yeah. It's going to be good. And I don't know. We might cry a lot during it, but it's okay. Okay.


06:42
 So, but I just find the whole process of the DNA activations and the channeling and the Akashic Records and like, cause I, you know, I'll do virtual tarot readings as well that I read locally. But it, you don't stop to think.


07:02
 what like social constructs time and space are until you're doing this kind of work i think and you're just like yeah it doesn't really matter um if you know what you're doing well it's also like educating people because they don't understand a lot of people that are you know i find people that are just kind of beginning they're curious a lot of my people are like just stepping into it yeah


07:25
 So it's like having to educate them about what that actually is. Because people are like, well, what do you mean? You don't need to be here. What do you mean? You don't need to be present. And then they get a message or a reading from me and they're like, holy crap. Yeah, you're good. Yeah, exactly. It's like when you give a person their first tarot reading ever and the death card comes up and they're like, I'm going to die. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.


07:47
 Yeah. Education matters. Education matters. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking to a educator and former educator. Absolutely. Yeah. When I go to like myst psychic fairs or mystic fairs, I don't know if it's me, but I seem to get a lot of like first timers who have never had tarot reading before. I guess maybe I, I seem unthreatening. Yeah.


08:11
 Or something. And so, like, I have... Little do they know. Right? Oh my gosh. I make at least one person cry in a weekend. Every time. Yeah. Every time. Except for the time I brought Kleenexes. And then no one cried? And then people are just like...


08:29
 Like, like they were everything in their power to like not come like, okay, I'll just not bring the Kleenex because then it's like maybe like a psychic or, you know, um, like I see the Kleenex and so I'm not want to use them. Sort of. Right. Or maybe I'll just like have them under the table. Be like, here you go. Here you go.


08:47
 But, yeah, I've given some really intense readings to, like, people who've never had a tarot reading before, and they just kind of, like, sit there and stare at me. And I just, like, kind of, like, all right, I'll just, like, stare back at you while you process. Yeah, we could just sit here in silence. Like, that's cool.


09:04
 Yeah. Like I always encourage people to like take photos of the spreads and, and they're like, oh my gosh, is that okay? And I'm like, yeah, listen, I'm channeling. I'm not going to remember. Like you're going to get up and walk away and my job will be done and I will not remember what happened, but you will. So you should have something to reflect on later. It's like, I'm just channeling for you. Yeah.


09:31
 But can we talk? So Neva and I had a little like confab about what we were going to discuss because we were so excited to have you on. And I loved the idea of working, not love the idea of working with energy vampires, but how to work with vampires.


09:54
 People who are, you know, just like siphoning your connection and your energy. And what does that work look like for you?


10:06
 So a lot of the work that I do is on the, in the spiritual realms. So I work a lot with the entities, you know, and it's like working with people in person, I've had to up my protection. I've had to make sure I'm really keeping myself clean and clear, especially as the world is going. It's a shit show right now. There's so much fear and there's so much old programming that's like crumbling. And so, I mean, yeah,


10:34
 Not to get into too many politics, but there are world leaders who are energy vampires and narcissists. And we're seeing it more and more because what's happening is this year of the serpent, we are clearing that collectively. And we are finding ways to empower ourselves. So coming into connection either with the entity of spiritual vampirism, it can be very hard to even notice that you are being siphoned from entities. Vampires often...


11:03
 times use magic or they use like the veil so you can't see them right like a vampire when they look in the mirror you can't see right right so when there's an entity that might be attached to you from someone you've come into contact with um you don't always see it unless you're starting to really look at it and so for a while i was connecting with someone who was that and i didn't understand it fully like i knew there were some red flags and like you know kind of kept my distance from from them


11:29
 But then as I started to look into my own field and started to tap into my own chakras, I realized that, you know, they had a vampiric spirit that was attached to them that was siphoning off of me. And so, and this is something that just happens. I mean, a lot of times what happens with that, you know, is they had some sort of wounding. An energy vampire that is showing, presenting itself as a person, um,


11:53
 usually has some sort of traumatic wounding that caused them to Basically seek outside of themselves for energy, right? They can't cultivate it because what's happening in the spiritual sense is they are void of source They haven't been able to they're not able to connect to our divinity right when we connect to our divinity we don't need to siphon off other people because we're working straight from our own internal power and the power of source and


12:18
 so with that it's usually a trauma and so coming into contact with someone like that it's really important to understand you know your boundaries to protect yourself if needed um you know if you can be in more like a bigger group like a couple people like if you're you know if it's a family member or something like that it can be really hard to deal with family that you know are that and so it's like being in more than one person so it's not just your energy the other part of it is the compassionate part


12:44
 Sometimes they just need someone to listen to, but also to have your boundaries, to use your own discernment, making sure that you're not overgiving or, and they're not overstepping those boundaries. So it's really important to be able to vocalize those as well. And of course, you're not going to be like, you're an enemy vampire. You know, like you don't want to be doing that, but...


13:02
 It's like an own inner knowing. Yeah. Sometimes it depends. Yeah. I mean, it depends what the relationship is, but if it's like a family member that you're going to have to deal with, you know, through different things, then it is important to be able to have those boundaries, use your discernment, you know, and have, there is a sense of compassion. Like when we come into an elevated state of consciousness, compassion is important.


13:22
 It doesn't mean that you're being walked on. It means that you can see them as a higher perspective through their source light. And you can start to see where their wounding is. And you can hold safe space for them to be where they are. And then there's also the time that you just need to cut it and move the fuck on. Would you say that that's kind of the biggest difference between energy vampires you encounter who are narcissists versus those who are wounded and need compassion? I feel like there's a pretty...


13:51
 fairly clear distinction somewhere like even just in my work with students I've been able to tell students who I know I can reach if I just care hard enough and students who I think are lost to the sauce in their own narcissism and maybe you know are not going to be reachable by me if anyone


14:21
 And I think that's amazing that you brought that up because that's your discernment. So you can tell, you can start to distinguish. And especially when you're around them more and more, you start to distinguish what's what and what, what you can do and what you can't do. And I will say like with narcissism, a lot of times people will hold onto hope that they're going to change or hope that they're going to shift, but that can actually be a detriment. So hope can be, it can, it can screw you in the long run because you're always wanting them to change instead of accepting them for who they are and setting the boundaries either to


14:49
 stay in a relationship or to move away from that relationship. Yeah. Feel that in my bones. Yeah, I know. I know. Like I, the last, last year was a huge clearing out year just for me personally. There were some friendships and relationships that got cleared out because there was just that, that lingering hope of change. And I heard a line from, he was just like a relationship expert, like a therapist who,


15:18
 and he was like if this person never changed would you still be happy with who they are today and i was like oh and that like really hit me at my core and i was like no i would not um and so i knew i was like there there's no there's nothing i can do here you know you can't force narcissistic people to change or energy vampires just stop siphoning off of you and i think


15:41
 When you're a person who's tapped into your own energy and divine source, you're like a beacon for these energies. And I don't know if that's happened to you, but it's like, you know, you attract all of the wounds in the area. And they're like, you know, like moths to a flame. And it's like, no, fix me. And it's like, yeah, whatever.


16:07
 But my boundaries, though. Have you guys found that you tend to be the person that people come to with all their problems? Yes.


16:18
 Yeah. I, I've gotten better. I've gotten better about setting those boundaries and be like, I'm not here to fix you. Yeah. I got my own shit to do. I am currently, unless you're paying me and you need, you're actually paying me as a client. Like, cause I was that people pleaser. I was a fixer. I was, I was in the savior. Oh, I can save everybody. Let me, you know, the murderer, all that stuff. Like I've lived through all that crap for lifetimes and this lifetime it's like, no, I'm not going to do that anymore. So, so yeah, I, I've kind of come to that space where it's like,


16:48
 When I was a teacher, it was like... It didn't matter what time of day it was. I'd be like, shouldn't you be in a class? Can I please just talk to you? And I'm like, fine, okay. I have nothing else to do, I guess. But even now that I've changed professions, I'm realizing that there is one particular relationship that I'm just like...


17:13
 this person, they are in therapy now, and that makes me want to believe that they are trying to heal some things, and I don't, I don't know if it's, like, their wounds are triggering to me, or if it's just, like, I'm, like, I'm dealing with my own shit, I don't have time to deal with your shit, too. Yeah.


17:35
 Yeah. You know, talk to your therapist about it, you know, and I don't, you know, it's almost like I opened up that door where they feel comfortable talking to me about things. I don't know how to, like, shut the door. You do what you just said. Literally, like, I, I'm sorry, I don't have the capacity right now to talk about this, you know.


18:00
 find somebody else. And you can say that in a loving way. And I think that that's what we need more and more is to understand our capacity. And the world, like I said earlier, is going crazy. And we all have so much going on in our own lives. And it's important to protect our peace. It's important to protect our energy at this time because there are, and that doesn't mean that you're shutting everyone out and that you're ignoring other people's needs, but it is taking priority over your own energy and


18:27
 your direct family that you're with you know kids loved ones partners like those people that you are in contact with every single day your your unit right that's what needs to be protected and that peace needs to be cultivated because there's so much that's happening and so those boundaries are they're hard to set at first but once you start doing it it becomes easier and easier


18:45
 Yeah, I'll definitely agree with that. My core group of friends, we went through a lot of different transformations last year because of people in and out of our circles. And the group that we have now, I feel like, is very strong because...


19:04
 Each of us have such good boundaries. And so like even in our group chats or our individual ones, if we have something to talk about, just the asking of like, hey, I really need to info dump about X, Y, and Z. Do you have space right now?


19:21
 It's like a simple question. And if the answer, you know, sometimes the answer is like, Oh, I've had a real, I really don't like maybe tomorrow we can try or, you know, yeah, hit me. I'm good for right now. I could listen for like half an hour. Um, but just asking each other if we have the capacity, because I,


19:43
 The world is on fire and nobody has the capacity all of the time. It's impossible to think that all of us are functioning at this top emotional resonance all of the time. It's an impossible standard to hold. And I can't...


19:59
 pour everything out of my jug before i get home because then i have children who need me and a spouse you know who may also need something and so it's like you have to retain your energy in some areas but yeah i feel like those boundaries are so so so so so important but


20:21
 I love that you brought up that communication part too. Just like saying, Hey, do you have the space? It's okay. You know, you can still kind of get butthurt if someone says no, but then you've got to deal with that on your own. Right. That's the whole like interdependence of being in relation with other people. Right. Is finding that space and okay, I'm going to have to process this myself today. And that's teaching. That's a valuable teaching moment there too. Yeah. I feel like that also kind of comes back to, um, like, um,


20:48
 consent and permission you know like yes can i dump this on you and and then if they say no because you know that's well within their right to say no then you know you have to respect that you know and so i think maybe maybe you know in my situation it's like i don't get that um hey can i talk to you right this it's just it's just word vomit yeah so yeah how do you stop it before it happens


21:17
 I know. Or maybe it's just saying like, hey, I don't mind talking about this, but in the future, could you? Yeah. That's perfect. That's a perfect way to do it. Yeah. It really is.


21:31
 Boundaries are hard and I'm still working on them. So am I. Boundaries are so hard. And they shift. They shift with your energy. They shift with what you're going through in life. And they shift with people. It's ever flowing. Yeah. I had a former partner tell me, you have the strongest, most rigid boundaries of anyone I know. And I was like,


21:57
 I have them with one. Thanks. That's a compliment. I know you mean it as an insult, but that's a compliment. And I was like, yeah, no, I have them with you. I was like, my boundaries are not this rigid with everyone. And, you know, I was like, I can be soft and vulnerable and emotional, but only around people who are safe.


22:23
 um and so it's like your boundaries may look different for different relationships in your life and like you know the boundaries i maintain at work are exceptionally different than the ones i maintain um you know at home or with my friends or you know with with neva


22:42
 which is like do you guys have boundaries a couple i mean flowing it out yeah but even it's like hey i really need to bitch about this thing do you got 10 minutes it's just like yeah let me finish dinner real quick and then we can talk um our boundaries are scheduling that works yeah so yeah but oh boy


23:07
 i love it um can we talk we have talked a little bit about this but like psychic protection and that also kind of goes into i think you have kind of a master class about this going on but like something that i've just had to teach myself just raw dogging through life is is how to protect myself psychically um


23:30
 Like, when I do three-day psychic fairs and I'm reading for, like, eight hours a day for three days, um, yeah. I had to just teach myself how to do that. And the first couple times, by the end of the second day, I was like, I don't think I can do this another day. And I just, yeah. Anyway. Raw dogging thriller!


23:52
 I love that, actually. That's amazing. So good. It's so accurate. So, what's the question in all of that? How do I do psychic protection, or what is it? I mean, a bit of both. Yes, please, both. So, with anyone who is stepping into their gifts, which, let me tell you, I keep receiving the message that 2025-26 is years of great


24:21
 So there's more and more people that are waking up to their innate gifts. And these are not something that's external from us. This is just something that's been buried with the matrix and the layers and layers of conditioning that's kept us from the truth of who we are as a soul here on this planet.


24:38
 And so there are so many people that are waking up. And with that, if they're not conscious, your thoughts, right, create the auric field. They create our reality. So people who are still living from their wounded space is basically creating more pain for us. I'm laughing because me and Maria basically had a conversation about that this week.


25:00
 Like almost the exact same thing. Yeah. Oh, perfect. Well, then it's all meant to be then. It's flowing together. But that's what's happening. Yeah, absolutely. They are. And so it's important to first recognize that that's happening. And those of us who are either just awakening or we're already tapped in,


25:19
 Like we feel, you know, we can sense that energy. And if we're not aware of what's ours and what isn't, then we can actually take that on. And as me, I am a transmuter. So what happens is when people come into my field, I, I can instantaneously transmute that energy. I didn't always know that that's what I was. I was like, oh yeah, I'm empathic, you know, clear, clear cognizance, clear empathy, all that. But I'm like, oh no, this is more than that because I literally can turn it into fuel. So like I turn that pain into power, right. Into medicine. Um,


25:49
 And so, like, you have to know what's yours and what's not yours, first of all. And you have to realize that there are going to be a lot of people who are projecting their wounds on you. Even if someone's coming in just for a reading, you know, you can feel their doubt. You can feel their judgment sometimes. You can feel like, how does she know this? Like, there's that. So if you're not strong in your own sense of being, then you can take that on. Mm-hmm.


26:10
 And so it's important to have protection. For me, I always cleanse and clear my energy on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times. I do different rituals. I have an altar that I stand in front of. I call upon my guardian spirits to help me, right?


26:26
 I light my incense, my candles, I set my intentions. But it's important also not just to cleanse and clear your energy, but also to call your power back and to, like, refill yourself with that light instead of just... Because if you just drain yourself, if you just cleanse and clear yourself, you're still going to be depleted. So you have to make sure that you are consciously...


26:47
 What's the word I'm looking for? It's not like recycling, but it's nourishing. It's nourishing yourself. You're nourishing yourself through your source light. Replenishing. Yes, there you go. That's the word. Yes, yes. So you're replenishing yourself with source light with your own internal fire, right? So instead of just...


27:03
 being null and void right you need to fill yourself back up and that can look in different ways like for me i do it energetically but you can be out in nature you can spend time with your fur babies you can spend time with loved ones you can watch a really good stoner movie you know like whatever that needs to be for you in that moment to refill yourself to refill your light so you feel that frequency shift um but there's so many ways i mean of course you can use different plant medicines you use essential oils you can make like you know little sprays


27:31
 You can energetically clear your own auric field. You can start to learn how to tap in and feel where are there cracks and leaks? Where are there cords of attachment? Where are there energy vampires? Where are there other entities that you might have picked up throughout the day? And you can start to learn to differentiate that and you can start to cleanse that space. So then when you are out in public, you know, you're in power.


27:51
 You're always in your own power because you know you have the tools to be able to understand that. And I just also want to say that it's not about like always being on it all the time because we're human and we have our own shit that's going on. And sometimes we do fall into that. But it's like the reminder to self like, oh, I do have these tools. I'm feeling it right now. Let me check in with myself. Let me give myself five minutes spiritual cleanse.


28:15
 And, you know, that energetic hygiene to come back into that more empowered state. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Ooh, I love that. You guys need a shirt that says that. Your logo on the front and that on the back.


28:30
 it's from what like dodgeball or something i don't know that's another classic that's another classic i can't it's so good like i related so hard to so many of the things you were saying and it's so funny because my partner when we go out places um he's super introverted and shy and i'm not um shocker i know


28:54
 So, he very much is aware of how my auric field protects him in public. So, when we're in places, he's like, no. And at first, he didn't know what it was. And he was just like, I don't know, but when I stand next to you, I feel like, you know, I get hits off of your big dick energy. And...


29:16
 i was like well energetically what's happening is and had you know explained to him and he was just like oh my god he's like okay what is that bad i was like no you're my partner and we're in public and so i'm happy my protection bubble encompasses all of us my daughter is similar in that way that she's very sensitive to energy's


29:42
 She's on the spectrum, and so it makes her uniquely aware of what's the energy in any room she walks into. And so she will very quickly be like, nope, not that energy field, and just fuck off. I love your daughter. Yeah.


30:03
 Yeah, me too. And she apparently loves me. She adores me from afar. All I have to do is mention Neva. And Gemma's just like, I love Neva. I'm like, you don't even know her. She's like, I know her and I love her.


30:21
 She feels the energetic feel. She does. The safety is there. The safety is there. I think a lot of it's like fellow artist and, you know, fellow neurodivergent. She's like, no, I see you. I got you. But it is interesting to watch like those with innate energy.


30:41
 abilities sense like just when you're in public in large places how that looks and how that you know happens um but so many of the things like clearing of your field and closing those cracks and i mean i can't even tell you how many times people have been like can you do a cord cutting spell for me and it's like yeah absolutely but like also you can do it too just


31:07
 By sensing what's sucking your energy out of you. So... And also, it doesn't matter how many cord cuttings you have someone else do for you, if you are not ready to cut that energy...


31:23
 It's not going to make any difference. Yeah. I absolutely love that you brought that up because that's so true. Like you have, like if it's going to be a cord cutting, that person needs to be out of your life completely. Now you can do clearing and sending healing or Reiki through the cord. If it's someone like your mother or father or someone that you know, you have to still be in contact with in some sort of fashion. I'm, you know, you can send healing to those spaces and keep it clear and clean, but


31:48
 But to cut it, like you need to take those action steps to cut them out of your life as well, or it's just going to continue to be a loop in a pattern. And then that brings in karma, right? Yeah. It's really just a cycle. Yeah. It's so interesting to me. I've done several cord cutting things where I'm like, you'll be back. You'll be back. Yeah.


32:13
 Or the other thing is like, okay, I'm going to do this, but with the disclaimer that it's not just on me. I can't magically make a person disappear from your life. Like, you can write their name on a piece of paper and stick it in the freezer just to keep them at bay, but until you're ready to get rid of this person or their energy, that's not going to happen because you're still inviting it in somehow. And even for myself, that's a hard lesson to learn. So, I really want to talk about


32:43
 dark mother vibes yeah because you guys had written that down um so are there like deities in particular that you work with or energies that you think are more um present during this let's call it time of change yeah well there are so many different entities and and deities and things of that nature that you can work with for me i stick with isis durga kali maw


33:13
 mother Mary, even Mary Magdalene as the watchtower and the guardian. And then I also work with a lot of the masculine, like Osiris, Horace, John the Baptist, Jesus. I work with Jesus as well. And you don't think of them as being dark, but you don't realize that to have so much love and compassion for humanity, you have to


33:34
 go through hell, basically. You have to come into alignment with your own inner darkness and your inner light to be able to be in that resonance to hold sacred space for other people. And so, like, I do, like, Isis is the one who's showing me about the sorcery, but also my own ancestors and, like, those dark, deep-rooted ancestors that, you know, I had no idea existed until I started working with, I started coming into contact with people who were narcissistic in my life. And I


34:02
 i was always like i don't know anybody who's narcissistic and then all of a sudden i'm like everything was revealed and i'm like holy crap this stems back to the beginning of history and so isis and osiris especially are the ones who really taught me about you know what that looks like on a shamanic and spiritual level of like how you can start to see the root causes of this disease and how you can use your words of affirmation your words of power


34:32
 How you can use your spiritual gifts to clear these energies from yourself and, you know, kind of expel them in general. Yeah. I don't know. Does that answer your question? Yeah, no, absolutely. There's tons of others. There's like Hekate and all sorts of other beings, but I really work a lot with the Christed consciousness. Yeah. I think that there's a huge, like, social...


34:53
 which push towards Lilith and Persephone. And I think, and I think they get romanticized instead of worked with. And a lot of times I have like super chills right now and I don't know why, but I like it. Um, and, um, because I think, um,


35:15
 they're not being properly respected as deities and like the work that they went through and the hell that they've been through. Like you said, one of the deities I always like to work with that I've always felt a kinship with is St. Francis of Assisi. And everyone's like, but you're a witch. And I was like, yeah.


35:31
 but also like I grew up Catholic and while I don't relate to that religion anymore, there are still pieces and persons that existed within it. Like any religion that show you what true compassion can be. Um, and so I don't know. I think everyone has to find the deities that work for them. Um, instead of like tagging on to whatever's popular, um,


35:57
 which i think makes me uneasy um but if that gets a person started and in the door awesome you know start exploring like go with what works even if it feels weird so marina i think marie and i have talked about collie before just yeah we have so we love her


36:21
 I mean, for a number of years, like, I felt this really strange call from Kali. And I was always like, that's really intimidating, and I am not ready for that. And so then, like, I had this whole conversation with Maria, like, is it cultural appropriation? And all this stuff, you know? Because I'm like, I don't want to be, like, disrespectful to a culture that I am not a part of.


36:49
 And so I bought some books on Kali. I did some research and I found some books written by reputable people. And then to understand Kali and her energy a bit more. And I was like, okay, I think I'm mentally and emotionally prepared for this journey. So that's been interesting and fun.


37:18
 Kind of fun.


37:20
 interesting yeah we say interesting a lot for what we don't know what else to call it it's just like the the year i lost my father he had uh early onset alzheimer's and so when he was actively dying um i did a new year's ritual to work with any uh deities and odin


37:49
 And I was like, all right, Allfather, I see you. And he's a very strong, intimidating person, deity to work with. And there was a lot of...


38:05
 resonance there of like working with a father figure because even though my father wasn't physically dead yet i knew that he had passed on um like that his energy was already habitating the spirit realm and when he passed a couple months later he died like in may um


38:31
 it was very like powerful that I had worked with Odin for a particular point of time. Then he was like, okay, I did my thing deuces. I'm out. Um, and so I think it's important to be like, to recognize that you don't have to work with every deity for the rest of your life. Like sometimes they just come to you when you need them and then they're done. Um, but, and they trick, they trickle in and out. Yeah. They trickle in and out. And I think it's really important to also say, you know,


39:01
 While, of course, we want to respect other people's religions and things of that nature, spirit comes to us for a particular reason. And so sometimes we're spirit-led or spiritually initiated because Holly was coming to you. That need to understand her and...


39:18
 work with her was, you know, spiritually led. It feels like, you know, that's something that it was like, you, you need to come into this fierceness of, of being the demon slayer, right. Of your own demons and of the world around you. Um, so, you know, being able to come into that ferocious love for liberation, um, is so powerful. So always honoring that when spirit is knocking, like if you have the tools and you are confident in, you know,


39:45
 talking, communicating, working with them, then there's a purpose behind that. Even like you said, you know, even if it's just for a season. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. Yeah. We had a lot of conversations around the cultural appropriation of deities. And I think really the big thing we decided on too was like, as long as we're not


40:05
 pushing it off as our own culture or profiting from it or profiting from it it's like i feel pretty comfortable just working with it and because i felt similarly when i started working with isis and i was like i'm not egyptian like until i did one of those genetic things and then i found out oh no actually i am there was hella north african in my dna i was like cool cool cool cool cool cool cool guess i know where that obsession comes from um


40:34
 But I was just like, I don't know. Do I have, like, any right to be working with this? And they're just like, oh, no, I do. And you're right. Spirit comes knocking for a reason. So, but I love that. So, anybody have anything else? I don't think so. Athena, do you want to talk about, like, your workshop mastery class thing you got going on right now? Or anything else? Yeah, so...


41:02
 Well, again, thank you guys so much for having me. And I know that this is a really amazing and hectic time for humanity. We're growing so fast, whether you want to call it ascension or not, we are all, the veils are starting to slip. We're starting to see truth. We're starting to see beyond the illusions.


41:21
 And with that comes a lot of work that we all have to do. We have to take radical responsibility for how we're showing up for ourselves and for the world. And those of us who are called to be in the spiritual world or activism or guardianship or whatever you want to call it, we're all being called to rise together and to do it in a way that is balanced.


41:45
 you know it's like the temperance card you know it's like one foot in and one foot out like that's where we are we're walking between realms right now and we need to make sure that we are keeping ourselves clean and clear


41:57
 So then when we are working with other people that we're not projecting our shit upon them and that we're communicating and we're, we're, you know, teaching people the power of projection and how that can literally, the stronger we are psychically, the more our thoughts can literally change other people. And so we need to take that responsibility and how, how we're showing up for ourselves and other people. Um, yeah.


42:23
 and with that I have a, it's already, it's on demand. So it's already been, um, it was live, but it is a purify and cleanse masterclass. It's about two hours. And I basically go through the auric field and all of the attachments, cord cutting, different hooks, sludge, um,


42:40
 I talk about energy vampires. I talk a little bit about my own story with narcissism and then also my own story of being an energy vampire myself. No one ever wants to admit that, do they? No, they don't. But growing up from a very traumatic family with lots of abuse and neglect and those things, I didn't realize for a very long time that I was an energy vampire because I was working from an unawakened space. I was working from my wounds and it took me a long time


43:08
 to be on this journey of self-mastery to understand that, oh wow, that was me. So I can also hold compassion for other people because I've lived through hell. I've went through it. And the reason I feel so peaceful and that when people are in my energy, they feel safe is because I've done the work.


43:23
 And I took responsibility for my actions in the past. I've done a lot of forgiveness work. And that helps me to help other people. So I lived it firsthand. And so in this masterclass, I talk about what that looks like and what we can do to protect ourselves and how we can take that responsibility and be like, okay, what do I need to do to shift and grow and to be a better person, to be a better human, to be of service in a way that is going to be


43:51
 Good. It's going to be good. We're not tampering with other people's energies. We want to be clear and clean. I talk about all the auric fields, all the amazing things within the aura. There's so much information in there. Some of it, if you're kind of familiar with the energy, it might be kind of...


44:10
 what's the word i'm looking for kind of review but then i go in a little bit deeper so there is it's great for everybody i think um and you know some people are like i didn't know there's hooks and tears i didn't know what an implant was or what a seal was or i didn't know that this could happen through x y and z and then i also do a guided meditation for people to feel and sense and unruffle and clear out their own auric field too so i actually teach how they can do that for themselves


44:34
 And it's only 44 bucks and you can just email me and I'll send it to you. So it's like amazing. It's like such a good deal. And, um, yeah, it's people really, really enjoyed it.


44:44
 That's awesome. I love that. I think, you know, as hard as recognizing the wounds other people have given you, I think it's even harder to recognize where you wounded other people and, like, where... Yeah. Damn. Yeah. What's the triangle, right? I can't remember who created the triangle, but it's the perpetrator. It's the victim.


45:12
 It's the savior. So we go through that triangle is a mask glove triangle. I can't remember. Yeah. But anyway, it's something that humanity goes through. And so like, we have to recognize that we've been all of them. Yeah. We can't just play the victim. We've also been the savior trying to save people. We've also been the perpetrator. So it's this vicious cycle that if we don't come out of it and elevate above that and recognize where we played all these rules, then we're not, we're not going to grow. Yeah.


45:38
 Also, I've taken a couple of Athena's classes and I recommend any of them. Thank you!


45:47
 Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to look into working on some transmutation stuff because that really resonated with me a lot. But if you, just to like, not to like water it down, but if you could give our copious listeners like one cleanse ritual, something they should do every day, like what's like one small thing that can just help everybody?


46:15
 I would say words. You don't need any tools. You just use your own words. So something like I will say, basically I cleanse and clear my energy. So I usually will go through and be like, I am releasing all negative energies, entities, enmeshments, attachments, vows, curses, hexes, any kind of projections that I've projected or any projections upon me, I release and clear those now. I call my power back to me fully. My energy is fully restored. So something as simple as that


46:45
 I speak it out. Yeah, it's money. I love that. We don't need tools. And what did it take 30 seconds? And you can find something, you know, you can find something that's going to work for you, but are speaking, we're speaking and creating our reality. So you need to cleanse and clear your energy and then call your power back, knowing that you're sovereign and free in, in your energy. And so.


47:07
 I mean, there's so many other things you can do, but sometimes people will use that as an excuse not to do it. Oh, I need to get herbs. Oh, I need to get essential oils. Oh, I don't have a spray bottle. Oh, I don't have this. Oh, I don't have that. Oh, I don't have time. No. You fucking do. We all do. Use your words. Yeah. Speak it. Neva and I have had many a conversation about what I like to call janky witchcraft, where it's like...


47:31
 I'm doing a ritual tonight. It's the new moon. I got one, like a Yankee candle that just happened to be up and I stand in a bag of Doritos and that's my offering. And that's what we're doing, baby. But it doesn't make my intentions any less pure. I don't think, I think, you know, so I, I'd love the idea of just using words. I think that's so powerful. Like the magic is you, the magic, the tools. Yeah.


47:59
 Right. You empower. Yeah. You empower the tools. And so coming back to that pure essence of the power that we hold as these beautiful divine beings on this planet, it's like, don't forget that. Don't forget the power of us. Yeah. You're the magic, baby.


48:15
 i like that that's fantastic yeah all right i know should we do um cards and then i want you guys to totally pull some cards i mean i know cards too but i want i want to see what you guys get okay we've already been kind of jiving so let's see how this continues to flow should we each pull one neva yeah sure should we go crazy today


48:39
 Well, I already pulled some, so... Yeah, we're good. I love this. I have my Ask the Witch deck, which is, like, different famous witches and female people. But I pulled the lovers.


49:00
 That's perfect. Yeah. Which I love because one, it's one of my birth cards, but also it's just brilliant. Um, and the it's Titania. That's the deity. Um, just choices, union, romanticism. I love that. All right. So I love the cards that I pulled. Yes. Okay. So this is what we were talking about. Yeah.


49:26
 magpie deck so I'm actually creating my own magpie deck but it's not complete yet so this is


49:39
 alley man or alleyway it's one of those and i actually pulled a bunch of cards out of it that i didn't want anymore um but the two cards i got are oh let me explain what a magpie deck is yeah please yeah sorry it's like okay so this is the one i'm compiling myself it's you take cards from different decks and you create a brand new deck so like this is the one that i'm creating right now


50:05
 I love it. It makes me so nervous, but also... And actually, a couple of these, I got them, and they were larger than standard size, so I just cut them. I was like, they're mine now. I can do whatever I want.


50:22
 yes you can make your own magic despite how twitchy I am right now the two cards I pulled are death and the knight of swords oh my god so the death card is it's like purple background with like a death moth and then the knight of swords is a little bunny on the back of a chicken with a sword laughing laughing


50:50
 I relate to that card so hard. So it's like, yeah, cut some shit out, end some shit, and just charge like a bunny on a chicken. I love it. I love it so much.


51:06
 That's beautiful. And I already shared mine, but I got the compassion card and then I got the purification. And the compassion says, release judgment about yourself and others and focus on the love and light that is within everyone. And then the purification is, it is time for a cleansing detoxification of your body and mind. And I literally think that that's what we are moving through this year. And so I love that those came up too. So...


51:32
 I like this Knight of Swords card because so often I feel like the Knight of Swords is very aggressive. Yeah. And, like, the expression on this chicken is just, like, determined. And the bunny is just, like, very cute. It's, like, soft and sweet and cute and, like, I can be soft and sweet and cute and still get my shit done. And still be a bad bitch. And still go through death and rebirth. Hell yeah. Yeah, exactly. Hell yeah. Yes.


51:56
 I love it so much. It doesn't at all remind me of my children. Oh my god. That's fantastic. Who wants to share their what's bringing them joy first? I think you should, Neva. I should? Yeah. Okay. Here's what's bringing me joy this week.


52:19
 So, yesterday, you know, unless you live under a rock, you know that there were millions of protests, rallies yesterday, and so...


52:31
 My wife, Avery, was invited to speak at our local one simply by virtue of she has 12,000 followers on TikTok. She's crazy famous. So I guess I'm like married to a local celebrity. You kind of are.


52:50
 And the head chairperson of the Crawford County Democrats just like adores her. And even in her introduction, like introducing Avery, she was like...


53:04
 I watch Avery's TikTok every morning while I'm brushing my teeth, and it just, like, gives me the motivation I need to get through my day. And, um, obviously, like, where I live, it's not, you know, it's not Detroit, it's not New York, it's not Chicago, but there was, I don't know, 200 or 250 people or so, and, um, so I got to, I recorded Avery giving her first ever public speech, um,


53:33
 Hopefully you have more to come. And so just feeling like I'm a part of something bigger than myself. Trying to get other people motivated. And it was cold as shit yesterday. And I was standing outside. It was 40 degrees with like a 20 mile an hour wind. And I was outside for like two hours. So...


54:00
 You're a trooper. You did it. You're that bunny on the chicken. I am the bunny on the chicken. You are the bunny on the chicken. That's a good title for this episode. I love that.


54:19
 I'll share mine next. Yes, please. So mine, mine is very simple. Um, I live in over a hundred year old craftsman style house and it has collected so much stuff over the years that I have been purging my physical things. Oh,


54:35
 So yesterday I spent a good two hours cleaning. My front porch kind of became the catch-all with so many random things. And so I'm now creating it as a little lounge with a couch and my candles. And I'm going to make it all another living space for my home. And it's really bringing me joy because it's like, I don't need all this stuff. Why do I keep holding and gathering more stuff? So it's this purification that's not just happening internally. Right.


55:02
 Right? I'm now bringing it out into my world. And maybe my car, cleaning my car real good will be next. We'll see. Because I get in hyper-focus mode where I'm like, yes! And then six months later I'm like, oh, I might finish this now. Yeah. I love that. So it's something simple like that. And my kids helped and they loved it too. And then my daughter ended up cleaning her own room. So I didn't even have to tell her. So I was like, oh, I'm inspiring. I'm inspiring. Yeah.


55:30
 I love that. So it's something like that, and this week, that's really bringing me joy. That's awesome. I love that. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, that's fantastic. Maria, what's bringing you joy? Well, I hard relate to the cleaning. I paid my son 40 bucks to clean my car, so... Whatever it takes. It's like, good luck with all those Starbucks cups and seltzer cans. Yeah.


55:58
 Oh, my God. But honestly, oh, God. It was a rough, like, a really rough week. But what's bringing me joy this week is I play...


56:14
 Dungeons and Dragons with a group of my friends. And the Dungeon Master is the person who runs the game. And I have often been relegated to the role of Dungeon Master and not been able to play. And so I was getting very burnt out and my friends and I came up with a system where we each take turns...


56:36
 Running the game. And then we get to play. Which is actually really great. So this past weekend. My partner. He ran his first game. For our group of friends. Like ever. He had never dungeon mastered before. And he was really nervous. And really did his homework. And highlighted what the adventure was going to be. And came up with voices. For all of the different characters. He went so hard.


57:06
 um it the we played saturday night and he knocked it out of the park like he was so good and he has like an acting background so it's not super surprising that like because like i don't do voices i'm like i can't even do accents


57:26
 I'll just like speak in Italian if I'm going to do an accent. Like, I know that already. But, you know, like I didn't count on him bringing all of his like personal strengths into the game. And it's a very different style. Like each of us runs the games in different ways.


57:45
 And I was just like, all of our friend group was so supportive of him doing this new thing that felt really vulnerable. And he just killed it. And we were like, also proud of him. Um, and so that, you know, and then like we told our kids about it and our kids were like, oh my God, way to go dad. And, um, it was nice to see him be so lit up, you know, that brought me a lot of joy in another shitty week. That's amazing though. Yeah.


58:14
 yeah oh that's a live out a live out a passion of his that he didn't know he probably even had yeah and he always liked acting um like in high school we joke around that like i built all of the sets like i was always tech and stage crew and then he sang and danced on them um


58:31
 um but he just like he had such a good time coming up with and he had like different accents and voices for all of these and like all of these player characters i'm like that's crazy like so extra it was really good so it was fun i love that yeah


58:54
 Well, that is our episode. And thank you, Athena, for joining us. Thank you for having me. I loved it. And thank you for listening. And follow us on the social medias. And trick your friends into listening. Just put it on for your dog when you leave the house.


59:19
 And leave us the stars and Patreon. Yes. And we will link all of Athena's things in the details for the episode too. So if you want to go and find her stuff, you totally can and should. And yeah, exactly what Neva said. So thanks for listening, friends. Bye, friends. Bye.