S2: Episode 4: Art, Painting, and Community with Linda Fabry

In this episode of the Lost Girls Podcast, hosts Neva and Maria are joined by Linda Fabry, an intuitive artist known for her unique method called “paint gazing.” The podcast explores Linda’s journey as an artist, her creative processes, and the therapeutic aspects of her art. Linda began her professional art career in 2001, initially using eBay to sell her works while caring for her son. She later pursued a degree in art therapy, which influenced her transition into paint gazing—a form of scrying that combines intuition with art creation. Through this technique, she helps individuals uncover their inner masterpieces by setting intentions and creating visual representations. The discussion also touches on the importance of creativity in education, the emotional nuances of teaching, and the evolving relationship between art and self-expression.

Highlights

• 🎨 Linda Fabry’s Unique Art: Linda’s “paint gazing” technique combines intuition and art, allowing individuals to reveal their inner selves.
• 👩‍🎨 Art and Therapy: Linda’s journey from traditional art practice to art therapy illustrates the healing power of creative expression.
• 💬 The Importance of Intention: Each session starts with setting an intention, guiding the art-making process while channeling personal insights.
• 🤝 Community and Collaboration: The hosts discuss the significance of community in the arts and the collaborative spirit they have found in their local networks.
• 🎉 Teaching and Creativity: The conversation highlights the value of arts education and how creative experiences can foster emotional intelligence and problem-solving skills.
• 🌱 Emotional Expression in Art: The artists discuss how emotional responses can manifest during the creative process and the importance of allowing these feelings to surface.
• 🌌 The Essence of Self-Expression: The dialogue focuses on how art serves not just as a product but as a vital means of self-expression and community connection.

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🔮Neva Rowland (she/they) is a multi-faceted creator whose work blends spirituality and art. They work as a state-employed civil servant to pay the bills and feed their art supply and tarot collection addiction. 

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Transcript

00:00
 hi friend hello friend and hello friends listening welcome uh this is the lost girls podcast and i am one of your hosts neva and i am one of your other hosts maria and today we have a guest with us uh would you like to introduce yourself hi friends i'm linda fabry


00:28
 I'm an intuitive artist, and I use a process called paint gazing to help people reveal the masterpiece within. Ooh, I love that. Finger snaps. Finger snaps. That's a lot better than how I try to explain what I do, because I'm like, uh...


00:47
 It took a while to get there, to get it that concise. I imagine you've had a lot of practice, though, of trying to explain to people what it is you do. Yes, and it's evolved. Yeah. It's been many years, so it's evolved. How long have you been doing art, and then how long have you been doing specifically paint gazing? Well, like a lot of artists, I've been making art.


01:15
 my whole life you know but as a professional artist I started in 2001 when my son was born so I could stay home with him I started making art and selling it on eBay in the time before there was a Google well it was just starting out and no social media so I learned from friends in like online chat rooms and forums and stuff and I learned I taught myself HTML and all that like old school I had a


01:45
 I saved up to buy a digital camera because I was starting out with like scanning pieces together and then cropping my pictures together in the paint program on my computer. This sounds so familiar. It was so crazy. Yeah. I love this. That was the start of my art career way back then. And then in 2006, I started and I graduated in 2010, got my degree in art therapy. Yay.


02:11
 And from that kind of, thank you, that sparked the, I minored in theology and then I got trained in healing touch. And so I kind of started to really understand what art was doing for me and how it was tapping into my intuition. So then I started doing like readings for people and making Oracle cards and things like that. So ever since then, by like 2010, I'm an expressive arts facilitator is my official title as a not a art therapist. Yeah.


02:38
 that's awesome yeah i feel like if i could go back and get another degree it'd probably be like music therapy yeah i like that that would be great yeah i didn't even know that was a thing when i graduated high school and now i'm too tired to go back to college i can understand that i'm i'm doing my fourth restart of my


03:02
 So, yeah, I went back to school when I was in my 30s. Yeah. And it was with a four-year-old in tow and as a single mom. Not easy. So I understand tired. Yeah. I understand tired for sure. Not easy for sure. But the music therapy degree is so much more accessible than becoming art. Becoming a music therapist is a much quicker path than an art therapist. You can start practicing with a bachelor's degree. Yeah.


03:31
 Just so you know. Yeah, exactly. You have one of those and you're almost done with your master's. As soon as I write my thesis. What is your master's in? Instrumental music education, which I haven't. I quit teaching like three years ago. With the whole wave of teachers that quit. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't work.


04:00
 You tried to quit. I tried to quit. It didn't happen. I thought you meant you tried to teach. I was like, that would be me. I just, I love children. I just don't want to be responsible for a whole room of them. Yeah. I actually don't like children like at all, but I teach high school. And so that's completely different.


04:19
 oh that's different yeah yeah yeah quite no they're different they're not quite children yeah yeah that's like i like hopefully they're not i mean most of them aren't i'm like i like my kids but like i made those but like other than that i don't like little kids like


04:34
 Like, I just don't. But high schoolers, yeah. No, it's awesome. So I've been teaching for 20 years. Oh, wow. That's awesome. I'm too far in. I'm like, I can't leave now. This is what I do now. Yeah. I have no other retirement plan. Like, I make too much. Like, there's nowhere that I can switch to where I'm going to make what I make now. It's like, well, okay. I guess I'm just. I'm in it. I'm in it. Right. Just in it for the long haul. I understand that. Which is fine. It's good.


05:04
 Thank God for you. Thank you for teaching because it takes a special kind of person. Yeah. And I couldn't do it. Yeah. A neurodivergent person. I think the best teachers are neurodivergent. I agree. I wish that I had neurodivergent teachers. I had a few. Yeah. You know, obviously back then they didn't know that they were. No. But you always know which one. Yeah. You're like, oh, I know that one. That one gets me. Yeah. I had I was such a problem child in school and they used to give me.


05:35
 In high school, they gave me a pass to go to the art room because I would fight out. I had a big mouth. And if I disagree, and I was too smart for my own good, you know. So I would pick up on the teachers, especially I had a math teacher and I love math. And she would put incorrect formulas on the board and I'd walk, I'd just walk up belligerently, erase them and write the right ones. And I was such a little brat. Oh my God, it was awful.


06:02
 I love that. Oh, I had such a big mouth. And, and yeah, and so someone came up with the idea that like, you know what, she's usually pretty chill in the art room, let's just give her a pass so that when she gets pissed off at a teacher, she gets like a unlimited hall path, as long as you go to the art room. And then I'd go in the dark room and smoke pot.


06:22
 it was the 90s well linda you're officially my hero i love everything about that story same i was like wow this is amazing oh so that was where my love for art therapy was born pot in the dark room and i really haven't since then so it's kind of funny that that was yeah i just don't know


06:50
 I don't need it anymore.


06:53
 oh that's awesome it's so funny to me because like i have students who come down to my room for that reason like i have students not to smoke we all do it no oh my god could you imagine i'd be fired so and now they don't even they don't even like smoke pot in the way they all vape yeah so you can't smell anything like even if they do all you find are like vape cartridges


07:20
 and i'm like like you guys are lame you're gonna give yourself popcorn lung right what do you teach where do they coming to when they come to you so i teach technology education


07:32
 yeah so i have a very large room and it's got a tv studio in it and we do like the announcements and video broadcasting and graphic design and that sort of stuff so that's what i teach yeah which is super cool um but there's a lot of nooks and crannies in my room and so there are i get i don't want to call them problem kids because i over the years have called them bouncy kids um


07:57
 I like that. Yeah. They're my bouncy kids. And they typically, like, you know, don't do well in other classes or they have attitude problems or whatever. And they just come and hang out in my room sometimes. And sometimes I give them jobs to do. And I'm like, hey, I need you to bring this to such and such office or, you know. The Nooks and Crannies is an important piece. I just recently toured my old high school. Oh, cool. So it's like my...


08:21
 30th reunion, my friend finally talked me into attending one. And I was like, I was, it almost, I was heartbroken because I went into the library. The library at my old school was like this cool, old, dark place.


08:37
 woodsy you know high bookshelves little nooks where you could like it was almost like a if you see those old restaurants with like the bench seats that were like tucked away with the high backs and stuff like that it had kind of that feeling so with like the dark the lamp that goes over the desk and it was all cool I love that I used to ditch class and go read books on neuroscience because I'm just that kind of defiant nerd I don't know for whatever and so I


09:06
 walk i was so excited to revisit the library and when i walked in it looked like a freaking kindergarten room it was like all low shelves there you could see just walking in the front you could see the whole span of the whole room there was nowhere to hide it was just all like bright white and low chairs and like it was like romper room and and then my friends like where are all the books


09:33
 yeah books it was so weird and screens everywhere it was so different and I'm like god I think kids need and then the lockers in the hallways too were like when I was there you could also hide in the little locker hallways you know yeah everything was flat against the wall and there's cameras everywhere and I was like oh I would not survive this environment there's no way I would survive because there's nowhere to like no regroup and find myself and as an introvert like I can I


10:02
 I can extrovert with the best of them, but, like, I need to be able to cocoon, you know what I mean, in the middle of the day.


10:09
 So that was, I don't know. I don't know how kids do it now. Yeah, that's most high schools. Like, they're open spaces and, you know, constant, near constant surveillance. And it's like, and I understand it from a, like, administrative safety issue. Like, I get it. I do get it. But it also, I feel like it kills so much character.


10:34
 and and we we don't trust our students um like yeah that's what it felt like and like and for for good reason for good reason like it's not not true like even with all of the protocols in place i have definitely caught kids like


10:56
 you know pants down in the stairwells like right in front of a camera i'm like could you like not make babies in the middle of the day could you do this at a different time please um and it's just like okay so it's like i i understand both sides but at the same time i hate the lack of character


11:16
 i hear you yeah i hear you it's a little too 1984 i'm really glad to be out of high school i still bring a little bit with me i'm four i just turned 49 and i still like i'm like chills when i go near schools yeah i'm a forever senior yeah right yeah


11:38
 I'll never leave. Thank God for people like you in the schools, though. Like, I'm really glad you're there. Oh, thanks. Yeah. I'm glad. Some days. Yeah. Thank you for your service. Yeah. Yeah, right? I know. It's like, whatever award they give the military or police, it's like, you know, you should give teachers and nurses. Let's be real. Yeah. So much more vulnerable. Yeah.


12:04
 I'm like, I don't know. I have just as good a chance of getting shanked at my school on any given day than most people. That's a terrifying reality, right? I homeschooled my son for the last part of his education because we had a lockdown and stuff like that. And I was like, I think I'm just going to do this myself. Yeah.


12:28
 yeah that is valid with that and other things too but yeah it's terrifying i'm glad i did it was nice so um oh enough about schools linda yeah right let's talk about let's talk about art baby yes let's okay um


12:55
 When you're doing a, what do you call it? Paint gazing? Paint gazing. Yeah. Yeah. Like, can you, without giving too much away, because obviously we want people to like come and do this with you. What would you say like your process is both intuitively and more like art based? Okay. So paint gazing is a form of scrying is the way I see it. So it's like I put down a bunch of paint.


13:25
 It's influenced by a bunch of things. So like Rorschach ink block tests, right? Like it's not as, it's not a clinical thing like that, that where it's, you know, an external algorithm tells you what it means. It's much more intuitive. So, and I have like, all of the Claire's are active. It just comes through in a bajillion different ways for me. And the art is a way for, has always been a way for me to like contain things. It's like the vessel for me. So


13:55
 I can definitely do readings for people without making art, but I like that as a tangible and especially for the people that I read tend to be visual learners. And so it's nice to have like this tangible visual thing to talk about. And so what was the question? What was your question? What's your process like for both? Oh, okay. Yeah. So like the intuitive process is it's based on what I learned with visual journaling. So it's kind of like this step-by-step thing. I set an intention.


14:25
 Or the person I'm reading for has a question or a topic. And then I pour paint on, usually paper. Sometimes, you know, I used to do canvas and stuff. But if I'm one-on-one with somebody, I'm putting it right down on the paper. If I am actually physically present with someone, I put it on their hands and I make a palm print with it. And I call that a painted palm reading. I don't really do palmistry, but I pull some of that in.


14:50
 And then I just, so most of us can look at something like a cloud and be like, that looks like an elephant or whatever. I'm basically doing that. So it's pareidolia is what that, the term for that thing that we do where we connect the dots visually with our mind. So I'm, I'm doing that, but I'm also super grounded and tuned into like, I think of it as like my source where everybody else's source is. So I'm in a sense channeling and,


15:18
 the person I'm reading for, or if it's a collective, it's just kind of like borrowing my hands, borrowing my skills to develop an image, to make it look like something representational. And then I suspend judgment the entire time I'm painting, which is something I learned through art therapy, where it's just, I think of it as like a child coming up and being like, ooh, what do you think that means? Or ooh, you know, why did you use blue? Or like asking all those little questions. And I'm just like telling my little mind to,


15:48
 Like, yeah, we're going to we're going to we're going to look at that in a little bit when this is all finished. Like, oh, what? And then I'm literally just going like, OK, what's next? What's next? And the images can turn into some weird scenes. And I love that. The weirder they are, the more I love it. But so we can have like a shrimp. I have one that's like a shrimp and then there's like a robot and like all these fun things. I don't know. But then when it's finished, then I interpret it.


16:16
 and I interpret it sort of like how you might do like a card spread where you'd say like oh this area means it represents this area of your life or something like that so I interpret it that way so a paint gazing session I do it in like a one hour session I'm talking to someone the whole time and as things are coming up and I also have a little bit I never call myself a medium but


16:43
 Often there will be things from like the non-physical realm, people, beings, old thought forms, whatever. So I have one rule and that is whatever comes in my head comes out my mouth. So I'm just like, what? You know, this is what it is. And I am always astounded because I almost never know the people. And I'm like, they're like, what are you? How do you? And I'm like, I'm just channeling, man. Yeah. Like I know it because you know it. Like that's it. Yeah. Yeah.


17:13
 the whole process of my intention is to reveal the masterpiece within someone. So it's, you know, I think every people, we know our problems. So it's very solution focused. I don't really go like, Oh, you know, you have to deal with this problem that what I don't like those things come up naturally for people, but I am very, very solution focused. And so my readings are always about like, what are your strengths and how can you use them? So yeah, that's the whole,


17:42
 That's it in a nutshell, I think. I love that. All in all. Yeah, that's amazing. And the portraits, too, are the same process. I just use somebody's eyes. So I do the windows to the soul. So when I did Neva's, like, their eyes...


18:01
 You're one of the few that have glasses in yours too. There's only like four or five of all, like I've probably done a hundred and there's only a few that have glasses and I just really loved doing that. Well, and you know, I read in the email that you sent, it was like, I can have them with my glasses on or with my glasses off. I'm like, I literally always wear my glasses. So why would I take them off? They're a part of me, you know? Yep.


18:26
 same yeah yeah like dawn to dusk they're on i at my at my wedding my wedding photographer was like let's take some without your glasses on and i was like uh okay and so there's like a bunch of portraits of my where i don't have and i hate them yeah like i like she did a phenomenal job like don't get me wrong just right truly amazing it's like who is that person who's that that's not me that's not that's me looking like staring off into this because i can't see shit like


18:56
 he's like gaze into your husband's eyes i'm like whose eyes where is he i can't see anything um it's like oh i feel that and i had a couple students like you know over the years they're just like oh miss why don't you get contacts and i was just like i don't like my face without glasses on them


19:15
 And they're just like, what? It's like a part of me, like, you know, a piercing, a tattoo, a hairstyle. I don't know what to tell you. It's a choice. I had an eye doctor a few years back try to, he was really selling me hard on the contacts. And I finally was like, okay, I'll try them, you know? And I think I managed to get like one in by myself. Yeah.


19:39
 yeah after like 30 minutes and he's like so what do you think i'm like will you please take these out because there's no way i'm going to get them out by myself they're just gonna stay in my eyes forever yeah i'm never doing this on my own thanks though yeah and it's like i don't have a problem with shoving my finger in my eye and like rooting around for but why like


20:00
 i don't know i just no thanks yeah i'd rather have like three or four pairs of glasses that i can swap around when i get bored and i'm just too lazy and irresponsible for contacts let's agree i will 100 fall asleep put them in and they'll slide into my brain or whatever the hell they do my eyeball or something yeah that's just like no thank you


20:26
 Although I have broken my glasses on my face and that was super fun. Yeah, I coughed too hard and my face hit the sink. I'm so sorry to laugh. It was like two months ago. I had the flu and I was coughing.


20:44
 I was, like, in the bathroom, like, keeling over coffee. And my face, like, smacked against the bathroom sink. And my glasses broke against my face. And I had this, like, horrible cut down my face. How did I not know about this? I had a band-aid on my nose for, like, a month. And all my friends were like, what the hell happened to you? And I'm like, I can't even describe to you the stupidity of what happened.


21:13
 my daughter was like out in the hallway and she was like mom if we got that on video you'd be famous on YouTube I'm just glad you didn't like break your nose or something yeah I know this schnoz no way


21:30
 I've hit my head flipping my hair over to blow dry it. Oh my, yes. Full on just wham. Oh God, it's so real. I think that might be, and I don't know about you, but for me, I don't always have a good sense of the space around me. I always, I think I'm a little too close or too close. I was a waitress for many, many years and I was, I had bruises on my hips because I just bump into tables.


21:57
 seven years of constant bruises on my hips i'm just like i don't know


22:17
 Yeah. Who knows? Now you know. Slamming into those stainless steel countertops and the corners. Oh, God. They should have put, like, little baby bumpers. The little bumpers. Like pool noodles cut in half. Yes. Oh, and then when I got pregnant, I was still a waitress, and...


22:40
 No joke. I like toward the end of my time there. I remember going in one day and I honest to God thought they had moved the tables closer together.


22:49
 And I thought they were pranking me. And I went up to them. I'm like, I know you guys moved the tables. And they're like, no, really, we didn't. You just got bigger. My son was like 10 pounds, so I was huge. Oh, my God. And then they're like, no, honey. That's just you. It's just your changing life body. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.


23:14
 You change the table. Then, like, your center of gravity is all off, too. I fell over a lot. That is not a standing body. No, no. It's just like one of those weeble wobbles. Like, I just fall over. Absolutely. You just die. Sorry. Okay, so I've never had kids, but my sister had twins. Oh, my God.


23:42
 yeah my sister-in-law did too she was more belly than she was person like she's such a tiny human um and both of her twins were bigger than both of my kids who were single birds wow yeah they were like seven and some odd you know pounds and i was like she weighs 110 pounds on a good day oh my gosh


24:06
 Yeah, she's like all baby. All baby. She was all baby. It was fucking impressive. Yeah. My grandma had seven kids. She had five kids and then had twins in 1946. Can you imagine that?


24:22
 having five children, and then having twins. I was fearful enough. I was terrified of going to have our second and it being twins and me being like, you pushed me down the fucking stairs, husband. You pushed me down the stairs. I'm not doing three kids. We decided man on man, not zone defense. This is bullshit. Yeah, when your kids outnumber you, that's scary.


24:49
 No way. My sister went for three and got four. And got four! Surprise! Surprise! Aw, but the girls are so cute. They are. They just turned four and they smile at me now.


25:04
 yeah as opposed to crying glaring and staring oh okay they don't like people oh well they're smart then they're suspicious of suspicious yeah i was gonna say like my nieces do that too they're twins but they're 15 so they just do it to everybody that's just a 15 year old that's just a 15 year old girl thing yeah it's awesome yeah


25:30
 Oh, my God. Right. We're supposed to be talking about intuition and stuff. Right, right, right. Or creativity. Sure. Neva, do you have things you want to share as a fellow intuitive artist? Like, even medium-wise, like paints. I know you use moon water. I don't know if that's a thing, Linda, that you do or just what your processes are like. I mean, I might fangirl for just a moment if that's okay. Okay.


25:57
 Um, cause I've been following Linda for a while and I have one of her Oracle decks and I actually pulled a card from her deck this morning. It felt like the right thing to do, which was fun. Um, and okay. The crazy thing is, so Linda did soul portrait. Is that what it's called? Um,


26:15
 Windows to the soul. Windows to the soul. Okay. Same thing. Like, I've been wanting one of those for a long time. And then I was closing the unused tabs on my phone. Because, you know, when it gets to, like, over 100, you just get, like, a smiley face. And then one of them was your website. I was like, oh, let's just click on this. And then you just happened to be, like, having a sale that for, like, 12 hours. I'm like, oh, my God.


26:44
 so oh oh they give me chills that's so cool yeah so that was that was how i came to uh get my window to the soul portrait because that was like the one i'd had my eye on forever um and so that was very exciting and also i know like you use craft paint in your work and


27:05
 I, so I'm a trained musician. When I was a kid, like, you know, like most kids, I liked doing art, and there was, like, an art show on PBS that my mom would record for me during the day, and then I would watch it after school, and I would, like, follow along and, like, do whatever sketches he was doing. And, well, in the, okay, so.


27:25
 Here's three people with ADHD, whatever. Yeah, right. I was like, are we talking about Bob Ross? Because I used to do that shit too. No. But it doesn't sound like it was Bob Ross. No, this is not Bob Ross. So this guy, he would draw all sorts of...


27:39
 weird little creatures and he would show you how to like make a cube but then he would like here's how you make it look like there's a hole in the cube for like an arm to come out and like like here's how you open the lid of the cube and then he would draw like little googly eyes coming out of it and


27:58
 And like within the last like month or so, I kind of like called back to that. And I was I was in a meeting and I was just like doodling and I doodle this cute little creature. I'm like, is that like a little your little pickle, dude? Yes. I love that one.


28:15
 so i doodle this little dude and um he's kind of like overly shaped at the top and then he has the two short little legs and like little toes and then he has like tentacle arms and and one eye you know and so anyway that's neither here nor there my point was that even though i've been interested in art i went the musician route


28:41
 And so like the professional artist part of my title has only been within the last like two or three years.


28:53
 But anyway, so in my intuitive artworks for, like, my Oracle deck, I use craft paints as well. And I was in all of these Facebook groups with these hella pretentious people who are like, if you don't use blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, these people are just making me feel bad about myself. And so, like, I loved following you and watching you work because...


29:22
 Like, there is no shame in using craft paints. Not at all. You make amazing... To be fair, like, I use Liquitex. I use Amsterdam. Sure, they're great. And they're great for, like, other things. But, like, I'm like, there's no point in being pretentious about this. I love my Apple Barrel, man. I love my... Like, you can take my Apple Barrel from my cold, dead hands. And I've tried other types of craft paint, but that is the perfect...


29:52
 like texture and I want to say fluidity but that's not the word I'm looking for you know what I mean like it's the right mix for me and that my headset keeps disconnecting and reconnecting it's okay reset and yeah I have been using craft paint since I started in 2001 because that's what I could afford and I was painting with q-tips when I started because that's what I could afford you know what I mean you just whatever and that's


30:21
 I think that's one of the things I really loved about art therapy was it's so process focused and the product doesn't mean a damn thing. I have sold thousands, thousands of paintings, fine art paintings. I have my work in the Smithsonian. I've been on PBS. I've won multiple awards.


30:42
 I don't give a fuck about paint. Like those things just aren't important. I don't know. Like it just doesn't make sense to me. The whole argument about like, I get it from like a, uh, archival quality set, you know, whatever. But like, if you're not buying my stuff to put it in a museum or whatever, like enjoy it. Yeah. So I think of, I was just going to say, like, I think of the paintings that I give people from their readings as like,


31:13
 a gift not that's not really what they're buying they're buying the message that came through it right the process yeah yeah my feeling about like yeah because so many of these groups are like oh i use this paint and this thing and it will last for 500 years you know what


31:34
 I have been to Milan, and I have seen the Last Supper, and that was not created to last 500 years. It was not intended to last 500 years. And, like, the monks cut a doorway out of Jesus' feet. You know what? They obviously didn't care that much. Right. Right. And so all of these people acting like they're creating the next...


32:01
 I think it's just this fear, like this innate fear of the ephemeral. Like people are just so afraid of things changing or ending. Like it's just this, and they're just, they're not aware of it. So they're like,


32:15
 Let's make it a debate about fine fine art products or paint quality or something. I feel like it's the very same argument of like existing in a moment versus taking pictures of what's happening when you're in the moment. Well, we have to capture it. And I'm like, yeah, but or you could just experience it.


32:34
 Like, I think there's so much more value in just experiencing what's happening and then having those memories or that, you know, that process instead of being worried constantly of how you're capturing it. And I think the fine art tools are.


32:52
 100 come back to that and it's like sure i can go and buy cadmium red paint that's 130 a tube and like and then be so afraid i don't ever use i will i'd never use it i would never use it um


33:08
 And it's like, you know, I don't know. I think process based art makes more successful art. It's like when I tell my students, you know what, even like when we're doing recordings and stuff, it's like, oh, can I use such and such an app on my phone? Can I record on my phone instead of using, you know, like our studio cameras? And I'm like, the equipment is.


33:29
 doesn't matter the software doesn't matter do you know how to frame a shot do you know how to tell a story can you talk to people and get the information you want out of them to get a message across how you do that is pretty fucking irrelevant honestly um you can buy the best equipment in the world you can buy the best art supplies in the world but it doesn't mean your art is going to connect with people because if there's no emotion thought or process behind it


33:59
 You're lost. I get into this argument about what's art and what's craft, right? And I think that when people talk about fine art or they're talking about specific techniques that you're supposed to do, I get comments on my stuff a lot. Or like, you wasted paint. Or you can't erase. I have scribble drawings that I've gone in and it shows me erasing. And they're like, you can't do that. And I'm like, what the hell says I can't?


34:28
 That's what an eraser is literally for. There's no hard or fast rule on how I'm allowed to use these tools. I think art, like the very basic definition of art, is self-expression. So if you're expressing yourself using whatever modality that is, that's art. If you are creating something that has a specific outcome that somebody else dictated...


34:58
 That's craft. Right. If you're following steps to make something and you know what the outcome is going to be and it's supposed to look like this thing and there's a plan for it that you didn't create yourself, then that is craft. And there's I mean, there's nothing wrong with craft. We love craft. Oh, yeah. But it's not. But then to look at someone's art and say, oh, you did it wrong. That's how can you possibly do art wrong? Right.


35:26
 Art is literally an expression of self that's like saying you are being you wrong. Well, people love to tell other people that. And it does. And I think that's where, in a general sense, society has an issue with art because it makes people uncomfortable. And people who are usually uncomfortable with people expressing themselves or...


35:51
 with art not being done correctly those are my air quotes for those seeing me is those people are uncomfortable because they're not allowing themselves to do that


36:03
 That's usually what it boils down to and what I've seen is that it's like calling out their shadow, basically. It's like, what are you so scared of in your own self that this is triggering for you? That I can be myself. And if they would just know, that's where they need to love themselves a little more. That's all it is. It's just reflecting back where they need to love themselves more.


36:23
 yeah absolutely we're gonna lock you in a room with some paper and some apple barrel and see what hell yeah well and i'm telling you like i've so i've taught a lot of classes or done a lot of like events and groups and i have so many people that are afraid to take paint they're like oh i don't want to waste this paint i'm like it's 50 cents like please here's 50 cents like yeah use as much of this crappy paint as you want you know yeah and and like we're painting on paper plates and where you're


36:52
 and they're like so we're taught like oh don't make a mess and don't waste stuff and don't use too much and and i get like environmental concerns but like i buy two rolls of plastic wrap a year like i'm not the one destroying the planet yeah no plastic wrap no i contribute to it as much as anybody i get it but like you know it's a use it use the you know i cut up


37:18
 bags too so I reuse shit you know but like don't let that hinder your like or stop somebody else from making art that's what freaks me out the most is like when I don't care what people say about me and my process but when people say that publicly and there's another artist looking at my comment section and they're like I'm not posting I'm not sharing my artwork publicly because damn look what they're saying to her right yeah and that's when I get pissed off I'm like you you


37:44
 You're keeping other people small. That's messed up. It's gatekeeping. It is. It is gatekeeping.


37:52
 Yeah. I need less. So I'm a member of our local art gallery, and we give workshops. And actually, I have a Taurus season personal artwork workshop this afternoon where I look at the participants' birth chart, like what is being highlighted in Taurus for you, and I let them set an attention, and then I just go, here are paints and paintbrushes. Go.


38:22
 I fucking love it. And the idea is you're putting that energy into your painting. I'm like, I don't care if it makes no sense to me. It doesn't matter if it makes sense to me. What matters is that energy that you're putting into it. But I've also done...


38:39
 workshops where i've like shown them how i mix my fluid art paint with my craft my apple barrel craft paint you know and i actually had a pretty good turnout for that one and my whole point was like anyone who tells you that you have to use a certain kind of paint or a certain um mixture do not believe them because they're just trying to like upsell you on some bullshit you know


39:06
 Oh, yeah. And the interesting part about that is there's another artist in the art gallery who also does fluid art and she did the same sort of class. And man, she used all the fancy paints and everything. I'm just like, that's that's fine. Whatever. And maybe some people need that, too, to access. How did you come to intuitive art?


39:28
 Well, okay. So let me think back. So I left education in May of 22. And just prior to that, I started experimenting with fluid art. And I did this like...


39:51
 six or eight week coaching thing from a person that i knew and she was like what if you combined your tarot readings and your fluid art and i'm like okay and so i did a few of those i think i did one for maria um i opened one


40:13
 Yeah, I opened that up to people. And so, basically, I started with a tarot reading. And, like, I wrote the message from the reading. And then I just used that to influence the art that I created. And so, it's actually very similar to what I'm teaching at the gallery in a way. But, yeah. Yeah.


40:38
 Depending on what the message is, sometimes I use some color theory. If it's supposed to be a grounding thing, they'll probably use more reds than browns. And if it's heart-centered energy, then probably more greens. So I do use that to a certain extent, but really I just kind of go out there and I just...


40:57
 pick some paints and start mixing and sometimes like as I'm mixing it I form an idea of what I think it wants to look like um and sometimes I just start throwing paint down and what comes out is what comes out um but yeah that's my process is basically just like turn my brain off and think about what message I want to bring across that so like clear the channel yeah yeah sounds a lot like what I do too


41:26
 And I think, and the color picking is fun. I think I, I number all my paints. I know somebody who was doing, they were rolling like 20 sided dye. Yeah. Paint colors. I'm like, that's fantastic. I love that. I love that. I, the more we, I feel like the more we can randomize the process, the more it could tap into our intuition, you know, it's just like shuffling a deck of cards, you know, you get what you get and it's the right thing.


41:56
 yeah yeah so yeah so i did a brief i did i don't know a dozen or so intuitive artworks for friends and acquaintances and things and then i was like this is cool i think i'll make an oracle deck out of this and so i saw there was some pieces i was following i you know how the socials are you get sometimes you see someone all the time and sometimes you don't see anything but yeah


42:21
 Um, I was seeing some of your images that I know you were working on a deck. Are you, so it's finished and it's out. Yeah. It lives in the world. I actually, I sold one at art walk last night, actually. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.


42:36
 The fun thing is, okay, so at Art Walk last night, my booth was here, and then just across the street was my friend who, their business is called the Witchy Bibliophile, and so they take tarot and oracle cards and turn them into bookmarks. Ooh, cool. And so the fun thing is, they were, like, sending people over to me, and then, like, I was sending people over to them. That's so sweet.


43:03
 Yes. That's the way it works. Oh, I love that. I've been more and more feeling guided to be in just collaboration and community. These things have felt like just rising up lately, like the past year or two. And it's funny because I've been really trying to get involved in like the fine art, like there's an arts community.


43:27
 place and I've been banging my head against the wall for like three years trying to get in and do things there and it's just so super resistant but the but I do spirit fairs and stuff and long ago I decided that I'm no longer doing arts and crafts fairs because there's just no money in it it's a lot of work yeah but


43:47
 And so I shifted and started doing like spirit fairs and wellness fairs and stuff. And I love that community so much and this collaboration. And I just did one last weekend or the weekend before. And I actually had time, you know, sometimes with those, you don't have time to go and look at everybody else's stuff. I had some time to go around and like see everybody's fucking crystals. I love crystals and jewelry and lit up stuff and all this cool stuff.


44:15
 But we had time. I got to do some readings for others and exchange and stuff. It was so... I just... That's where it's at, right? That community. That's the best, honestly. Yeah. At least my local art community is full of witchy spiritual people. Oh, great. Yes. Hell yeah. So that was kind of an easy one to like...


44:43
 wiggle my way into yeah that's great yeah I love it lots of pagans and witches and um but yeah like in my area there's not a whole lot of spirit fair metaphysical fairs so I have to drive all the way to Kansas City which is like two hours um but I've been doing those in Kansas City for a couple years now and um


45:11
 There was a holiday one that no one came to, but it was cool because I got to talk to other people. One specific person who I've been admiring from afar, and she was basically like, you realize you're getting noticed, right? I'm like, what do you mean? And she's just like...


45:34
 people are noticing you and like i don't know how i feel about that i feel like in a good way you know yeah don't perceive me yeah don't perceive me you know when you're like when you're like the new person on the block everyone's just kind of like holding back and like watching what you do you know like is this person for real or whatever you know um


45:56
 So I guess I'm being perceived. That's good. I mean, yeah. It can be really going to force you to confront any of those things about being seen, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


46:12
 i love it personally i'm i mean i'm the youngest child and i'm an aries and i freaking love the spotlight i'm not gonna lie like i'm good with it that's a lot of things i love it i i love public speaking which is like what is wrong what is wrong with me but i actually failed driver's ed because i wouldn't stand up in front of my class and do like talk about how to change a tire in high school really and then like i yeah and then i shifted to selling knockoff perfume door-to-door when i was like in my 20s


46:42
 And just totally got over my fear of talking to people. That's awesome. Now I, I will talk to anyone, anywhere. Yeah. And I realized like, Oh, this is something I thought it,


46:56
 I had it in my head well it's different when you have to talk in front of your peers and your peers are kind of assholes so that's different but like you know that's high school yeah but the world is not like that in every place in every space yeah I think the trick is it's pushing you out of your shell a little bit I think the trick is curating that space sometimes I agree


47:25
 Yeah, because there are some spaces that you can just light up in, right? Yeah. Yeah, I wish that for everyone. It's like I'll just keep showing up authentically, slightly abrasively, and...


47:41
 And whoever vibes with it vibes. Thank you. Yeah. Like a perfect example of this is my daughter. She's nine. She went to a friend's birthday party. I love nine. Yeah. At like the public pool. And my daughter loves to swim. She's like a little fish. And so we go. And of course, we live in like a very suburban-y town. Like it's very Connecticut. Nice.


48:11
 But we are not well off. And...


48:19
 um so i walk in and i have on my like black t-shirt that has a dagger on it and it says protect trans kids and i have you know like two sleeve tattoos um and whatever am i picturing all the other parents with like a sweater over their shoulders because that's almost exactly what it was every every almost every other mom was in like


48:44
 you know leggings and sneakers and like a light sweater and here's i'm like i'm sweating my fucking balls off because it's humid inside this indoor pool i'm like ah you know all my stuff and so i turned to my daughter and i was just like does it bother you that you know mommy doesn't look like the other moms and jemma was like i don't fucking care yeah


49:11
 she's like no mom you're you and i was like okay and it was very interesting to see who in the group was put off by it versus who didn't care um and there were like two or three other women who were like yeah i'm gonna talk to you about some shit and i was like oh okay cool and i had great conversations with some of the other parents


49:35
 um and my husband was also the only dad there which i thought was pretty telling um oh wow yeah and uh because i had to leave for something else for like an event and so he stayed and it was just like the whole vibe of it was like so awkward and weird it's like


49:57
 yeah i'm only gonna attract the people that are into whatever this is showing up as right i love the word abrasive when you say that all i can see is like a emery stone like you're softening things to be abrasive is a gift to those you're around because you're like softening edge hard edges let me i try my my friends and my husband i'll call me aggressively friendly i love that


50:24
 I will love you whether you want me to. Whether you want me to or not. And when Neva was doing their Kickstarter for their Oracles, Neva was like, she's like, how many people did you bully into? I didn't bully. I strongly encouraged certain people. I'm persuasive. I was like, I got that, those strong Italian genes that, you know.


50:54
 he was like don't put hits out on anybody and i was like i make no promises it would be a shame if you didn't get this oracle done yeah it would be real funny is if i came in here in two weeks and you didn't order that oracle and then you and i are gonna have a problem oh


51:17
 you slip into that role so easily yeah it also doesn't have that like you know 20 years of teaching in an inner city school it's like it comes second nature but oh man it was pretty funny but yeah you have to curate those spaces oh yeah yeah well and that's I think too I love the word curate it feels like gardening or like you know cultivating that kind of thing I think we do that and I think too like that's where creativity allows us


51:47
 I think the bridge between like where creativity and intuition overlap, it's like imagination. So even imagining that there are spaces like that, that you can feel like a sense of belonging. That's what, when I bump up against people who don't have, don't allow themselves, I was going to say they don't have imagination, but they do, but they don't typically allow themselves to imagine something different. That like,


52:15
 I don't know. I think that that's something that can, if we lean in, that's where I really sad about the lack of like arts and school and stuff. Um, and that's what I'm trying to open a local, um, like an open studio, open art studio, just so people can come in and just create. Um, and we've, we've got a growing population of unhoused individuals and I really want to create a space where they, nobody wants them to be in their library and all this shit. And I'm like, dude, how


52:42
 come use some crayons. Like they're cheap. Like here's a bench to sit on. Like, why can't we do that? You know, it's ridiculous. So just to, there's so many ways that creativity and music to, you know, music changes a vibe. I love music. Like that's, we can use these creative things that don't really cost anything, you know, and can build community. And, and then we can cultivate these environments that like all people can exist in.


53:12
 because it's kind of expanding. It's an expansion kind of energy that allows people to see other perspective. I mean, the arts are just, they're so healing. Of all the things to not


53:26
 I mean, I think teaching technology is important. I think there's many things to teaching. I wish that we would teach finances and stuff too. Oh, that's what my husband teaches. Really? He teaches personal finance. I've often thought about creating a business where I teach artists how to do bookkeeping because we're not good at that. But I'd have to just hire everybody in that area.


53:53
 business because i yeah like no i'm great at systems creating systems right using them using them you don't want like a creative accountant you know what i mean you want a detail oriented linear yeah a concrete sequential accountant yeah you know


54:16
 Well, before we wrap this up, I have to say, I've been looking at this painting in the background. It almost looks like a bird's eye. And it looks like an owl eye. Oh, shit. Okay, I'm going to have to bring that over here. Yes. This is so much bigger than you. Okay. Oh, my God. How am I going to get this in frame, right? Okay, so this is...


54:40
 Same process as all of them. Oh, my God. How am I going to get this in here? Oh, my gosh. I splattered a bunch of paint on it. Linda, that's gorgeous. This thing is, I'm five, six. This thing comes up to my chest. So what is it? Five. At least five. So this is the first thing I saw was the skull in the corner. And now it's got like a raven in a nest on its head. And then...


55:11
 she just i don't know she stood out to me if you look under her chin you can see a little eye yeah next to the cottage oh yeah that was my like my inner child and she was like really vibrant and then like knocked back a little bit there's yeah so this is all oh i have like full body chills looking at everything i've been seeing i've been working on it for a while


55:37
 I love painting books. So there's books and then the owl and there's like the sacred geometry in the owl's eye. I think that's amethyst in its head and little Pegasus. So this is my inner child. It actually is a continuation. There's a dragon in her hair. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's I'm I was born in the year of the dragon.


55:58
 in the Chinese Zodiac and I just love dragons. But there's also like a gorilla face in the cottage in the hill. Yes. And then a donkey? A ram? And the tea? I feel like everywhere I look there's something else to see. So this is the first iteration or they're related somehow. This one's called Lily. This is a print. But that little frog in the sandcastle kind of thing, it's the same. It's like I'm working on my


56:28
 inner child but with this one if you look at her um like she was very youthful and then I was like I need to you know incorporate because I've gotten I'm getting the jowls and stuff like I want her to feel comfortable aged yes yeah I'm like I've been working on that a little bit gave her some glasses I love I love the glasses yeah and then yeah so as I get a little closer in things um


56:58
 I just, I'm adding detail. I love this coffee cup. So the coffee cup feels a lot like, like, um, age too. Oh my gosh. With the candle and like the ocean waves. And there, there's a face, there's a face in the cup. Yeah. It feels very like the passing of time. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Linda, that is truly insane. And like in the best way. Yeah.


57:28
 Yeah, I love to paint. Thank you so much. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm blown away. I'm blown away. I'm actually like speechless. Yeah, it's like, okay, cool. Well, we're just going to fangle over Linda the rest of the time. Oh, thank you. This is what the little, this is what the paint gazing sessions yield. So these are a couple. These are the ones I did yesterday. I mostly do readings on Saturdays.


57:57
 So this is created in an hour with, with the person. So we meet up. And you can do those. Like I was going to say, you do those virtually too. They don't have to be in person. Like you pick your colors. This one was so interesting. I ran out of this, but I had, this is what I do. My painted palm readings on this size. So I have people just, you know, so we, I had two and I was like, Hey, I'm out of my nine by two. I need to go to Walmart. I'm out of my nine by 12 paper, but I have these that are cut.


58:25
 Would you like to still have your session and do this? She's like, hell yeah. So I put the paint on and then split it like this. Her topic was relationship. Oh, wow. I mean, you can see the connection. There's like two people reaching out. Isn't that beautiful? So that's someone's energy. And so then, yeah, so these are other. I love the colors of that one. And I love it because they pick their own colors.


58:56
 Um, so like I show you a box of colors and I don't know if you picked your own colors. I let, I let you pick them. You let me. Yeah. And I remember I, I'm usually, it's, it's funny cause twice yesterday people got emotional and they're like, I'm really sorry to like, I'm like, no, like I'm doing this. Like I'm channeling. So that stuff just flows. Feel free to be as emotional as you want to. Yeah. Um,


59:21
 So I don't really remember a lot that, you know, while I'm in the process of things, but I do remember with Neva's that it was, I felt like the background was like a fabric, like if you took the night sky and made a really cool fabric out of it.


59:37
 that had like gold twinkly stuff that's what it felt like it was like this rich kind of velvety dark blue and that still feels like you Neva yes I don't know like I can totally see that being yeah I remember you know listening to the recording you're like I usually don't put down more paint but I just kept putting down more paint I bet you that's a reflection of your own because I noticed too when I do that


01:00:07
 If someone's an artist, their techniques often come through me, whether I'm aware of it or not. So, yeah. That is interesting. So, adding more paint is probably your inner artist, like, more paint, more paint, more paint, more paint. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Thank you for sharing that. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Thank you for allowing me to share. I really appreciate it. So, who should pull a card? Oh.


01:00:35
 I can pull a card if you want. Do you want to pull a card? Yes, please. I've got my massive deck here. Yes, please. Yeah, Linda, whip out your massive deck. Check out my massive deck, ladies. Ow, ow! So inappropriate. So, it's okay. Our podcast is marked as explicit when I post it, so feel free. I swear, way too much. Yeah.


01:01:03
 I love massive decks. I love massive decks and I can't help it. You other witches can't do that. And small decks are good, too. Absolutely. So my For the Love of Trees deck is only 22 cards. Oh, cool. It packs a punch, though.


01:01:28
 yeah my oracle decks 27 and anytime anytime so literally last night like one of my witchy friends um she's like um this print really called to me and on a few of them i have the meaning on the back and she's like and then i flipped it over and the message kind of smacked me in the face so i guess i have to buy this now


01:01:51
 i feel like every time i pull a card from your oracle deck neva it's like when you're sitting in bed and your phone falls on your face that's what it feels like oh my god can we do both i'll pull one and then you pull one sure yeah all right so this one is from the mandala series and it's got a cute little baby owl oh so cute and there's our full moon right there yes hell yeah represent so it says night owl


01:02:20
 The magic of your mind is connected to the stars and to wisdom as ancient as the moon so allow yourself a quiet moment at night for clarity and illumination yeah I feel like that is our moon is lighting some things up so.


01:02:38
 I love that. We can really tune in. You know, give yourself a moment. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to grab my deck so I can play mine. Everybody grab their decks. Yay. Everybody grab their decks.


01:02:55
 How many more euphemisms can we come up with? Oh, so many. So I am just a 13 year old boy inside this mind forever. I have not created an Oracle deck, although I have wanted to. I'm just, I am unclear as to which art process. So I figure it'll reveal itself to me in time eventually. When I started my first deck, I created in 2014, I think. And I was like, I have no idea what I'm doing.


01:03:24
 I don't know how this is happening, but I really want to create a deck. It was from a business perspective because I know I'm like, God, what a great business. Because if anybody else is like me, nobody ever buys just one Oracle deck. Oh, God. They always have a million on their shelves. Yeah. So I was like, oh, it's like a never-ending stream. So my first deck was the For the Love of Trees because I was like, I have no idea. And I work from, I use the image to tell me what the words are.


01:03:52
 versus illustrating something so I just made 20 images of trees of different trees and then I gave them all meaning yeah and then I had no idea how to like I didn't I wasn't aware of any like card making places or anything like that so


01:04:08
 I had them printed at Staples. Nice. I cut them myself and then got a little cutter and cut the freaking corners of all of them. Oh, my God. Yes. And because I was like, they need to be gilded. So I dragged the edges through gold ink, every individual card. Oh, my God. And because I didn't know how to do the graphic design yet to do, to like line it up right so that each card would have something on the back. I just did a plain background and then hand stamped. And to this day, I still, my cards are hand stamped. Like this is the tree.


01:04:37
 wow and i like because i didn't know how to do it then i do it now i know how to do it now but like it was all like really handmade and insanely cheap and i was paying myself like a dollar an hour yeah of course right so bad so bad but yeah that's evolved well yeah so all right night owl


01:04:59
 I love it. All right, Neva, what you got? So the card that I pulled from my deck is titled Hold Tight. Ooh. It's very yellow, kind of erupting.


01:05:15
 Fun story about this card, actually. I just, because while I was working on my deck, I kind of hit a few months where, like, just the inspiration, just, like, the desire, like, I was just, like, so tired. I was, like, halfway through.


01:05:32
 And I'm just like, it felt like I had so far to go. And I just kind of like hit a block. And there was one day that I like literally forced myself to create an artwork. And it was this one. And it just, it felt like I was like yanking it out of myself. Yeah.


01:05:51
 You know, it was like it took all of my energy just to do that. And so I have like a really complicated relationship with this card for that reason. But it's also like very poignant, I think. It's one of the shorter messages. But here it is. Sometimes things seem darkest before dawn. Hold tight. Stay strong.


01:06:19
 healing is happening a new day is coming and with it joy and happiness and i have chills right now oh my god yeah yeah i love that looking forward to like this night time i feel like this night time will be very powerful yeah yeah that's awesome oh those are beautiful did you write so do you


01:06:43
 So what was your process with your cards? You create the image and then the title and like that? So the message is actually the original tarot message that inspired the painting. And then the title or the name on the card is the title of the artwork.


01:07:03
 I love that. Oh, that's really powerful. Okay. And then I numbered them. The number is literally the order in which I created them. And so the number one card... Let me see if I can find it real quick. I love this. The number one card is actually the painting I did for myself. Okay.


01:07:26
 Nice. Yes. Oh, that gives my whole head just went. Right? Yeah. And then the number 27 card is the one I did for my wife. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, my God. I could feel that one. Yeah. Wow. It's gorgeous. Yeah. Oh, that gave me a little lump in my throat. Yeah.


01:07:48
 Because their love is so beautiful. The first one was mine. You are ready. And the last one was for my wife. Self-love. And they're both in my home. And they're like little bookends. Yeah. That's cool. It's gorgeous.


01:08:08
 Well, my heart feels really full. Thank you, ladies. Maria, did you want to pull a card? No, you guys pulled cards. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, let's do what's bringing us joy. Neva, what is bringing you joy this week? Well, okay. First of all, being here and doing this with both of you is bringing me an exceptional amount of joy. Thank you.


01:08:30
 This was a treat. I had a blast. But also, like I think I mentioned before, Art Walk was last night. And that was last night was the first time in two years that I had my own booth at Art Walk.


01:08:50
 So just being able to do that again was amazing. And seeing friends was amazing. And meeting new people was amazing. And I was a little bit worried that I wouldn't have very much stuff. Because over the winter, like, I was still creating things. But it was mostly creating for myself and doing a lot of experimenting of new stuff. And so the only, like, new, new stuff that I had was...


01:09:19
 my blackout poetry and a little mixed media thing that I did but like I sold some original work I sold some earrings I sold an oracle deck I sold a lot of prints so yeah that was just really fun to like be able to do that again and connect with the community and yeah so that's what's bringing me joy yay Linda what's bringing you joy this week


01:09:48
 Oh, this week. So I, again, like I'm going to just co-opt the whole, like being here. Yeah, absolutely. I just love it. And yeah, and I, I've been more and more connected with my community. I've got a, like an entrepreneur networking event tomorrow. I'm really excited about, and I actually start, I said yes to this kind of odd part-time job. Like I haven't had, I haven't been employed by other people for years.


01:10:18
 like a decade. So this is going to be really fun, but it's doing like, it's creating stuff with people in our county's mental health center. So just a couple hours a week. And I'm so excited to meet people and kind of see what they've been, they've been doing it for like 30 years. So it's an old program and I'm really excited to learn about that. So, and then I'm excited to get back to my routine. I was out of town for a while and I,


01:10:45
 When you're talking about your daughter going swimming, I go swimming almost every day. Oh, that's awesome. Because I need the water. I need to, like, you know, be floating and weightless and all that kind of stuff. And cool my fire a little bit. Oh, well, she's a Leo, so that tracks. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. So, yeah, so I'm excited to kind of get back in that routine, my daily, like, swim. And just, yeah, I'm excited about spring. It's just feeling really springy here. So, yeah, it's just a lot to bring me back.


01:11:14
 is bringing me joy life is joyful oh i love that that's great maria what's bringing you joy oh well um not to copy everybody but yes also this this was so fun and i feel like set such a nice tone for the rest of my day and i don't like even i have talked about that it's like i could be


01:11:37
 So fucking cranky before I log on this morning. And I was because half my shit wasn't working. My kids were crazy. But then I feel just like an immediate connection to community when we do things like this. And that brings me such an immense amount of joy. But this is the start of April break for me. Which is like...


01:12:01
 so unbelievably necessary like the last three months have been really really really hard at work and I'm in charge of a bunch of different programs which is you know partially my own damn fault but just like I was like I need a break and so having this week to kind of not do much of anything I'm trying not to fill it with plans which is what like my extrovert brain wants to do


01:12:30
 you know like last night some of my friends were like come out with us and i was like my bra's off and i'm in bed the bra comes off you're done it's it's all over yeah yeah yeah um but i'm just like i'm trying really hard to do nothing um


01:12:52
 which is so much harder than it's so difficult for me. Yeah. Because I'm like, I want to go do all the things. So yeah. So that slowing down is bringing me joy this week. I think that's awesome. We'll see. Yeah. I recently had to tell Avery, like, I don't think I have time to be involved in this organization, but I will be involved in this other one.


01:13:19
 um so i was like yay neva learning how to like manage her time and not burn out yeah yay me it's so hard it's so hard i feel we just want to do all the things you know and i get it pruning is yeah it's essential like i've been really practicing that myself too like okay


01:13:39
 you can't do everything there's only one there's only one me right yeah i think i was also over the winter i was very mindful of not doing extra things and so almost it almost feels like it's like i'm like coming out of my hibernation because it's like i look at my weekends and i'm just like where did all this stuff come from what is going on but then also i'm just like


01:14:06
 Like I'm handling it. Okay. But I'm also like, like, okay, we have to still like, be careful that we don't overestimate ourselves. But yeah, I think I was just very mindful of not doing Jack over the winter because


01:14:21
 And now I'm like, it's spring! Let's do all the things! I know. I really have to hold back on that, like, spring energy is coming to get you. Oh, God. And I'm like, no. Aries season will make you sign up for all the stuff, and then Taurus and Gemini come, and you're like, what the fuck did you do to us? I know. I have to keep reminding myself that I am a Taurus, and that a bitch needs rest.


01:14:47
 well and their creativity needs those nooks and crannies to hide yeah like it's just yeah i need to curl up in my little snail shell for a little bit every once in a while and then i can come out i love it all right well this has been lovely yes so nice to meet you both it was really wonderful


01:15:08
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01:15:59
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